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			Origonal Page name - Rulings/Awakened wip council threads

	==Banned Awakened Content==		==Banned Awakened Content==

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	~~Awakened Content WIP Edits~~
	*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/py95ql/touch_spells_and_punching/]]
	***You may not combine a touch spell with another unarmed attack.
	*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/ly1ew3/channeling_houserule/ Channeling Houserule]] (Item 189)
	**In regards to Channeling: When the spirit is in control, the spirit’s skills and mental and special attributes are used. When the summoner is in control, the summoner’s skills and mental and special attributes are used. In either case the lower values of the two are used to defend against Mana Spells or Powers, and damage is applied to both.
	*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/mb6qid/switching_adept_ways/ Switching Adept Ways]] (Item 174)
	**The Thematics team may approve swapping Adept Ways. The cost will be determined case by case.
	*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/nbxcpy/clarifications_on_new_channeling_houserule/ Channeling Clarification]] (Item 165)
	**How does our new house rule on channeling interact with the use of foci while channeling a spirit? For instance, if I channel a F6 spirit as a magic 6 magician and remain in control of the resulting duel-natured entity (thus using the magician's mental stats and magic score), would I also be able to benefit from the use of a power focus?
	***Yes, you would benefit from the power focus.
	*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/nlfwfz/summoning_above_ones_magic/ Oversummoning]] (Item 158)
	**Starting at Force 7 and increasing, the force of summoning a spirit is more than most summoners can handle. When a summoner attempts to summon a spirit of Force 7 or greater, the summoner takes unresisted physical drain equal to 1.5 times the difference between the Force of the spirit and the Magic of the summoner, rounded up, provided the spirit’s force is greater. This is in addition to the normal drain suffered from summoning, is healed as drain, and cannot be reduced by any means. Elementals over summoned at Force 7 or higher additionally reduce the damage by 2. (Just missing the part about elementals.)
	*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/nbxakc/clarifications_on_detox_and_crash_effects/ detox and crash effects]] (Item 166)
	**How is minimum force determined for a drug like Novacoke that does not have a damage value?
	***Addiction Rating = Mininium force
	**Can Detox remove the crash effects (other than damage, which seems limited to that which affects condition monitors, AFAICT) from drugs such as Novacoke and Kamikaze (essentially removing all crash effects from the former, while reducing the latter to 6S damage, unresisted)?
	***Yes (This was the missing part)
	*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/yps9cw/ritual_of_change_karma_cost_reduction/ Ritual of Change Cost Reduction]] (Item 68)
	**Raising the force of an ally spirit now only costs 8 karma per force increased, not 16. This change is retroactive - characters who have previously spent karma to raise the force of their ally spirits immediately receive the difference as a one-time bonus for free.
	*Council ruling [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/ppala7/element_aura_ap_clarification/]]
	** [Element] Aura spells do not have AP on the primary damage. Secondary effects may have AP as described by the effect.
	*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/127wgwg/extended_masking_applies_to_critter_powers/ Masking Critter Powers]] (Item 96)
	**Extended Masking metamagic can now also affect critter powers in a way comparable to sustained spells.
	*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/vezrog/noble_sacrifice_now_part_of_the_undecided_way/ Noble Sacrifice in Undecided Way]] (Item 46)
	**Adepts and Mystic Adepts may take Noble Sacrifice as if it were part of the Undecided Way.
	*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/10wpjb9/great_form_possession_accessibility/ Great Form Possession]] (Item 87)
	**If a character does not have access to Binding, such as with the Chain Breaker mastery quality, they may skip the Summon Great Form ritual and go directly from the Channelling metamagic to Great Form Possession metamagic.
	*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/10wq3y8/immunity_to_pathogens_buff/ Immunity to Pathogens buff]] (Item 90)
	**If a given Disease does not, after Penetration, get past the Hardened Armor that Immunity provides, it does not build up with repeated exposure like most diseases do.
	***As an example, a +12 to Disease Resistance and 6 Automatic Hit level of Immunity to Pathogens would completely render a character immune to Power 5, Penetration 1 disease no matter how long they remain exposed to it.
	*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/nx9p4b/fab_iii/ FAB 3]] (Item 147)
	**Please refer to the rules in 4th edition's Street Magic for FAB III mechanics.

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	==Banned Awakened Content==		==Banned Awakened Content==

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	*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/nx9p4b/fab_iii/ FAB 3]] (Item 147)		*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/nx9p4b/fab_iii/ FAB 3]] (Item 147)
	**Please refer to the rules in 4th edition's Street Magic for FAB III mechanics.		**Please refer to the rules in 4th edition's Street Magic for FAB III mechanics.

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	===Banned Items===		===Banned Items===
	*Foci over F10 (~~including by~~ GMs)		*Foci over F10 (excluding GMs with thematics permission)
	*Power and weapon foci over F7 (~~including by~~ GMs)		*Power and weapon foci over F7 (excluding GMs with thematics permission)
	*Crucible (FA 193)		*Crucible (FA 193)

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	====Downtime Alchemy====		====Downtime Alchemy====
	*During downtime players may fill a single vault of ages with preparations of up to the maximum force that vault is capable of holding.		[[Rulings/Custom Mechanics#Downtime Alchemy\|Downtime Alchemy ]]
	*Any further vaults filled may be filled with preps of (Magic) force or lower.
	*For the purposes of determining potency, remove the force of the prep from your dice pool and then divide the remaining dice by 3, rounded down, with a minimum of 1.
	*Drain accrued is considered to be healed at the time the run starts.
	*Enchanting during a run is conducted as normal.

	===Summoning and Spirits===		===Summoning and Spirits===
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	*Remember that only one edge may be spent per action, so you may either edge the summoning OR the drain resist (but not both).		*Remember that only one edge may be spent per action, so you may either edge the summoning OR the drain resist (but not both).
	*Characters with the Dedicated Conjurer quality may add 1 to their Magic rating before interacting with the oversummoning houserules.		*Characters with the Dedicated Conjurer quality may add 1 to their Magic rating before interacting with the oversummoning houserules.
			*Characters with Spirit Whisperer calculate over summoning drain based on the original force of the spirit summoned not the final version
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	*Oversummoning an elemental reduces the unresisted oversummoning drain by 2.		*Oversummoning an elemental reduces the unresisted oversummoning drain by 2.

	====Downtime Binding====		====Downtime Binding====
	*Characters at the start of a run "during downtime" may attempt to summon and ~~then bind one spirit of force up to their Magic, rolling as normal.~~		[[Rulings/Custom Mechanics#Downtime Registering and Binding\|Downtime Binding ]]
	*Drain accrued is considered to be healed at the time the run starts.
	*Using Binding ~~during a run is conducted as normal.~~

	====Edge====		====Edge====
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	====Noble Sacrifice====		====Noble Sacrifice====
	*Must have line of sight to allies to work.		*Must have line of sight to allies to work.
	*For the purpose of Regeneration and other forms of magical healing, Noble Sacrifice counts as magical damage.		*For the purpose of Regeneration and other forms of magical healing, Noble Sacrifice counts as magical damage. In addition, if the damage carried some sort of restriction on how it can be healed or resisted, then that carries over as well.
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	*Adepts and Mystic Adepts may take Noble Sacrifice as if it were part of the Undecided Way.		*Adepts and Mystic Adepts may take Noble Sacrifice as if it were part of the Undecided Way.
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	====Downtime Essence Drain====		====Downtime Essence Drain====
	*PCs with the Essence Loss weakness now lose 1 essence per 4 runs, with each use of an active power (as defined by the Essence ~~Loss weakness) reducing that timer by one.~~ Essence does not reset or go away after each run. A PC may engage in 1 downtime essence drain attempt prior to a run, using the below system. This should be rolled in #dicerolling. Any edge used here does not refresh at the start of the run. After a successful downtime essence drain attempt, the PC gains 1D6 essence.		[[Rulings/Custom Mechanics#Downtime Essence Drain\|Downtime Essence Drain]]

	*'''Target:'''
	**The target sets the threshold for the following tests. The base threshold is 3 for an "acceptable" target. This is a target who may not deserve to be essence drained, but isn't a struggling single mother trying to provide for her young children. This incurs a cost of 1 karma. If the PC does not have the karma to pay for this, they may go into karma debt. The following scale of targets may be selected:
	**Deserving target. These are often significantly more capable than your average SINless, and may have powerful friends or benefactors. These have a threshold of 4 and no karma cost.
	**Acceptable target. Still capable, but more often footsoldiers or lower-level types. These have a threshold of 3 and a 1 karma cost.
	**Innocent target. These are innocent people just trying to live their lives. These have a threshold of 1 and a 3 karma cost.
	~~After deciding the PC's target, the following rolls are needed: a test to Approach the target, a test to Subdue the target, and a test to Get Away Clean.~~

	*'''Approach:'''
	**Skills such as Sneaking, Con, Etiquette or Hacking are appropriate here. Thematics has the final say over what skills are appropriate. A failed approach test increases the threshold of following tests by 1.

	*'''Subdue:'''
	**Skills such as any combat skill, Spellcasting or Summoning are appropriate here. Thematics has the final say over which skills are appropriate. A failed subdue test means no essence is gained, and the Wanted Clock advances by one segment. When using the off-table essence drain rules, assume your target has as much essence as the result of your die. You must always roll for addiction.

	*'''Get Away Clean:'''
	**Skills such as Sneaking, Con, Etiquette or Hacking are appropriate here. Thematics has the final say over which skills are appropriate. A failed attempt to Get Away Clean advances the Wanted Clock by one segment.

	*'''The Wanted Clock:'''
	**The Wanted clock starts empty and has six segments. If it reaches six segments, it returns to empty and a consequence occurs. The first time this happens, the PC gains the Wanted (Infected Hunters) quality – a known vampire of their appearance is being actively hunted. If it happens again or the PC has the Wanted (Infected Hunters) quality from some other source, the PC begins their next run being ambushed by a group of hunters with an appropriate TL for the run in question. If this would be disruptive to the run in question, the GM may elect to postpone the consequence. Please ping Thematics who will arrange a GM to run the encounter.

	*'''On a Run:''' On a run, the karma cost based on target still applies, but the rest (Approach/Subdue/Get Away/Wanted Clock) is at GM discretion.

	*'''Soul Swallower:''' Those with Soul Swallower gain 1D6+1 essence instead of 1D6.

	====Non-Elemental Engulf====		====Non-Elemental Engulf====
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	*You may obtain or remove your mentor's mask by paying 20 karma without "losing" your mentor. (Effectively buying off the mentor, then buying it again.)		*You may obtain or remove your mentor's mask by paying 20 karma without "losing" your mentor. (Effectively buying off the mentor, then buying it again.)
	*There is no way to hide a mentor's mask, '''there is no way to hide it.'''		*There is no way to hide a mentor's mask, '''there is no way to hide it.'''
	*[~~https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RrB_RQnZOAR1Q9b1qhvgHvNuPPfqgww74fW4hrZ66ik/edit#heading=h.6yhinb5kgr1j~~ List of adept powers which trigger mentor's mask.]		*Mentor’s Mask only activates when you actively use an adept power, not when you sustain the effects of one. [[Mentor's Mask\|List of adept powers which trigger mentor's mask]]

	====Missile Deflector====		====Missile Deflector====

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			*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/py95ql/touch_spells_and_punching/]]
			***You may not combine a touch spell with another unarmed attack.
	*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/ly1ew3/channeling_houserule/ Channeling Houserule]] (Item 189)		*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/ly1ew3/channeling_houserule/ Channeling Houserule]] (Item 189)
	**In regards to Channeling: When the spirit is in control, the spirit’s skills and mental and special attributes are used. When the summoner is in control, the summoner’s skills and mental and special attributes are used. In either case the lower values of the two are used to defend against Mana Spells or Powers, and damage is applied to both.		**In regards to Channeling: When the spirit is in control, the spirit’s skills and mental and special attributes are used. When the summoner is in control, the summoner’s skills and mental and special attributes are used. In either case the lower values of the two are used to defend against Mana Spells or Powers, and damage is applied to both.

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	*You cannot teamwork Spellcasting.		*You cannot teamwork Spellcasting.
	*Casting an indirect, touch range combat spell is a touch unarmed attack (receiving the usual +2 dice pool bonus as well as succeeding on a tie) versus normal melee defense, followed by a Spellcasting + Magic test as appropriate for the spell as part of the same action. There is no defense test against the Spellcasting test, but you still receive normal damage resistance (soak) against the spell. Casting a touch spell of any other category is a touch unarmed attack in the same fashion, followed by the normal Spellcasting + Magic test versus the spell's appropriate resistance roll. Typically, a touch unarmed attack is a complex action and thus the whole spellcasting is a complex action in the above cases. In cases where the GM has ruled that you already have contact, you may recklessly cast if you desire, but remember that you can only make one offensive action per action phase without splitting your pool through the multiple attacks free action.		*Casting an indirect, touch range combat spell is a touch unarmed attack (receiving the usual +2 dice pool bonus as well as succeeding on a tie) versus normal melee defense, followed by a Spellcasting + Magic test as appropriate for the spell as part of the same action. There is no defense test against the Spellcasting test, but you still receive normal damage resistance (soak) against the spell. Casting a touch spell of any other category is a touch unarmed attack in the same fashion, followed by the normal Spellcasting + Magic test versus the spell's appropriate resistance roll. Typically, a touch unarmed attack is a complex action and thus the whole spellcasting is a complex action in the above cases. In cases where the GM has ruled that you already have contact, you may recklessly cast if you desire, but remember that you can only make one offensive action per action phase without splitting your pool through the multiple attacks free action.
			*You may not combine a touch spell with another unarmed attack.
	*In terms of using the grapple hand cyberware with touch spells, you can only do so with a fully rewound one.		*In terms of using the grapple hand cyberware with touch spells, you can only do so with a fully rewound one.
	*Only Spellcasting and Ritual Spellcasting can make use of fetishes and limited spells.		*Only Spellcasting and Ritual Spellcasting can make use of fetishes and limited spells.

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	**Can Detox remove the crash effects (other than damage, which seems limited to that which affects condition monitors, AFAICT) from drugs such as Novacoke and Kamikaze (essentially removing all crash effects from the former, while reducing the latter to 6S damage, unresisted)?		**Can Detox remove the crash effects (other than damage, which seems limited to that which affects condition monitors, AFAICT) from drugs such as Novacoke and Kamikaze (essentially removing all crash effects from the former, while reducing the latter to 6S damage, unresisted)?
	***Yes (This was the missing part)		***Yes (This was the missing part)
	*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/ppb0ow/bgcs_cleansing_and_preparations/ BGC, cleaninsing and preps]] (Item 142)
	**When using Cleansing, Cleansing applies to the cleansing character and any preparations used in the same BGC prepared by that character. When used by an Enchanter, Disenchanting may substitute for Counterspelling in the Cleansing check. (Only the bit about preps.)
	*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/yps9cw/ritual_of_change_karma_cost_reduction/ Ritual of Change Cost Reduction]] (Item 68)		*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/yps9cw/ritual_of_change_karma_cost_reduction/ Ritual of Change Cost Reduction]] (Item 68)
	**Raising the force of an ally spirit now only costs 8 karma per force increased, not 16. This change is retroactive - characters who have previously spent karma to raise the force of their ally spirits immediately receive the difference as a one-time bonus for free.		**Raising the force of an ally spirit now only costs 8 karma per force increased, not 16. This change is retroactive - characters who have previously spent karma to raise the force of their ally spirits immediately receive the difference as a one-time bonus for free.

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	====Cleansing====		====Cleansing====
	*Once again affects an area (including for allies and enemies), as it did in previous editions. The size of the area is GM fiat.		*Once again affects an area (including for allies and enemies), as it did in previous editions. The size of the area is GM fiat.
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	*Cleansing affects any preps within the area.
	*May be used by aspected conjurers (using Banishing in place of Counterspelling) and by aspected enchanters (using Disenchanting in place of Counterspelling). This only applies to aspected magicians (including enchanters), so mystic adepts who cannot use Sorcery still cannot make use of Cleansing.		*May be used by aspected conjurers (using Banishing in place of Counterspelling) and by aspected enchanters (using Disenchanting in place of Counterspelling). This only applies to aspected magicians (including enchanters), so mystic adepts who cannot use Sorcery still cannot make use of Cleansing.
	*Adepts (not mysads), explorers and Aware may use Cleansing with Magic + IG (+ force of the power focus if they have one). Those that have Harmonious Defense may add their Willpower to it. As an adept, you need to have Magician's Way to pick up Cleansing in the first place.		*Adepts (not mysads), explorers and Aware may use Cleansing with Magic + IG (+ force of the power focus if they have one). Those that have Harmonious Defense may add their Willpower to it. As an adept, you need to have Magician's Way to pick up Cleansing in the first place.

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	*Once again affects an area (including for allies and enemies), as it did in previous editions. The size of the area is GM fiat.		*Once again affects an area (including for allies and enemies), as it did in previous editions. The size of the area is GM fiat.
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	*Cleansing affects any ~~preparations~~ the ~~character uses in the same BGC~~.		*Cleansing affects any preps within the area.
	*May be used by aspected conjurers (using Banishing in place of Counterspelling) and by aspected enchanters (using Disenchanting in place of Counterspelling). This only applies to aspected magicians (including enchanters), so mystic adepts who cannot use Sorcery still cannot make use of Cleansing.		*May be used by aspected conjurers (using Banishing in place of Counterspelling) and by aspected enchanters (using Disenchanting in place of Counterspelling). This only applies to aspected magicians (including enchanters), so mystic adepts who cannot use Sorcery still cannot make use of Cleansing.
	*Adepts (not mysads), explorers and Aware may use Cleansing with Magic + IG (+ force of the power focus if they have one). Those that have Harmonious Defense may add their Willpower to it. As an adept, you need to have Magician's Way to pick up Cleansing in the first place.		*Adepts (not mysads), explorers and Aware may use Cleansing with Magic + IG (+ force of the power focus if they have one). Those that have Harmonious Defense may add their Willpower to it. As an adept, you need to have Magician's Way to pick up Cleansing in the first place.