Rulings/Council Threads Update Announcement - Revision history

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	==Update on the Update==		==Update on the Update==
	We have gone through the council rulings to find what was missing and have cleared the backlog. What needed to be added has been added. What needed to be re-examined has been re-examined. Missing ~~rulesin~~, rulings made without a mechanics head, confusing rules and some open play tests have all been considered and dealt with.		We have gone through the council rulings to find what was missing and have cleared the backlog. What needed to be added has been added. What needed to be re-examined has been re-examined. Missing rulings, rulings made without a mechanics head, confusing rules and some open play tests have all been considered and dealt with.

	At this point the wiki rules represent the most accurate collection of Shadow Haven<sup>Reloaded</sup> rules. No longer will you need to search council threads for things that are missing. Hopefully this cuts down on rules confusion and fatigue.		At this point the wiki rules represent the most accurate collection of Shadow Haven<sup>Reloaded</sup> rules. No longer will you need to search council threads for things that are missing. Hopefully this cuts down on rules confusion and fatigue.

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	We have gone through the ~~backlog of~~ council rulings to find what was missing~~. It has taken a while but at this time we've~~ cleared the backlog. What needed to be added has been added. What needed to be re-examined has been re-examined. ~~This applies to~~ rulings made ~~when~~ a mechanics head ~~was not present~~ and ~~to a few rulings that were confusing as well as a few~~ open play tests.		We have gone through the council rulings to find what was missing and have cleared the backlog. What needed to be added has been added. What needed to be re-examined has been re-examined. Missing rulesin, rulings made without a mechanics head, confusing rules and some open play tests have all been considered and dealt with.

	At this point the wiki rules represent the most accurate collection of Shadow Haven<sup>Reloaded</sup> rules. No longer will you need to search council threads for things that are missing. Hopefully this cuts down on rules confusion and fatigue.		At this point the wiki rules represent the most accurate collection of Shadow Haven<sup>Reloaded</sup> rules. No longer will you need to search council threads for things that are missing. Hopefully this cuts down on rules confusion and fatigue.

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	At this point the wiki rules represent the most accurate collection of Shadow Haven<sup>Reloaded</sup> rules. No longer will you need to search council threads for things that are missing. Hopefully this cuts down on rules confusion and fatigue.		At this point the wiki rules represent the most accurate collection of Shadow Haven<sup>Reloaded</sup> rules. No longer will you need to search council threads for things that are missing. Hopefully this cuts down on rules confusion and fatigue.

	Note that a new page has been created to house rules on PvP. There is also an IC announcement that everyone should be aware of regarding ~~runner on runner~~ violence ~~and attacks~~. It is linked in the rules, but for ease it is also here: [[PvP on the Haven]].		Note that a new page has been created to house rules on PvP. There is also an IC announcement that everyone should be aware of regarding violence against your fellow runners. It is linked in the rules, but for ease it is also here: [[PvP on the Haven]].

	==List of Updates Made==		==List of Updates Made==

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	*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/z1sb0t/realistic_features_and_dronesvehicles/ Realistic Features]] (Item 73)		*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/z1sb0t/realistic_features_and_dronesvehicles/ Realistic Features]] (Item 73)
	**Realistic Features may be used to make a drone or vehicle look like non-biological things, such as vending machines and groups of porta-potties, as appropriate.		**Realistic Features may be used to make a drone or vehicle look like non-biological things, such as vending machines and groups of porta-potties, as appropriate.

			===[[Rulings/PvP]]===
			*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/phs3jo/new_pvp_rules_incharacter_announcement/ IC PVP Announcement]]
			*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/phs5w9/new_pvp_rules_out_of_character_announcement/ OOC PvP Rules]]

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	At this point the wiki rules represent the most accurate collection of Shadow Haven<sup>Reloaded</sup> rules. No longer will you need to search council threads for things that are missing. Hopefully this cuts down on rules confusion and fatigue.		At this point the wiki rules represent the most accurate collection of Shadow Haven<sup>Reloaded</sup> rules. No longer will you need to search council threads for things that are missing. Hopefully this cuts down on rules confusion and fatigue.

			Note that a new page has been created to house rules on PvP. There is also an IC announcement that everyone should be aware of regarding runner on runner violence and attacks. It is linked in the rules, but for ease it is also here: [[PvP on the Haven]].

	==List of Updates Made==		==List of Updates Made==

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	**GMs should keep the Haven’s rule on burning edge in mind when handling the wanted quality. The player must remain playable even after capture via our house rules.		**GMs should keep the Haven’s rule on burning edge in mind when handling the wanted quality. The player must remain playable even after capture via our house rules.
	**Players may appeal to the thematics team or council should they feel the awarding of wanted during the course of a run was unwarranted.		**Players may appeal to the thematics team or council should they feel the awarding of wanted during the course of a run was unwarranted.

			===[[Rulings/Rigging]]===
			*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/z1sb0t/realistic_features_and_dronesvehicles/ Realistic Features]] (Item 73)
			**Realistic Features may be used to make a drone or vehicle look like non-biological things, such as vending machines and groups of porta-potties, as appropriate.

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	===[[Rulings/Matrix]]===		===[[Rulings/Matrix]]===
	*No changes were made in Matrix Rules.		*No changes were made in Matrix Rules.

			===[[Rulings/Miscellaneous]]===

			*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/ly1h3u/on_drugs_and_toxins/ drugs and toxins]] (Item 88)
			**It is the stance of ShadowHaven that, mechanically, drugs are not toxins and are not subject to immunity to toxins.
			*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/mb6can/grapple_guns_and_cyberarms/ Grapple Guns and Cyberarms]] (Item 180)
			**Players may put 30m of microwire in their cyberarms for a cyberware grapple gun and Bionic Commando the world.
			*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/nlfyxj/computer_illiterate_and_being_a_haven_runner/ Computer Illiterate]] (Item 145)
			**So long as the PC has a story of how they use the electronics while not being able to understand them, a PC may have the Computer Illiterate quality and still be a Haven runner. This can range from your fixer handling these tasks to just paying a street decker 50 nuyen to send a message.
			*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/qk7d3f/qualifying_for_mundaneonly_options/ Qualifying for Mundane Options]] (Item 27)
			**Characters that have acquired a MAG or RES rating and continue to have any bonuses from the source that gave the MAG or RES rating do not qualify for mundane-only qualities, ascensions, or other options. Characters that previously had a MAG or RES rating and no longer currently have any benefits from the source of that aside from knowledge skills may qualify for mundane-only options, however.
			***Specifically, this means that non-dual-natured infected do not qualify for mundane-only options but a formerly awakened or emerged character who only retains knowledge skills and who has burned completely out would. (Just this specification.)
			*Council Ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/f0a552/buying_bilingual_postgen/ Bilingual]]
			**This quality can be taken post gen
			*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/qkze1p/proposal_to_revert_to_raw_attributelinked_skills/ Linked Attributes]] (Item 28)
			**The Council votes to not overturn the ruling that states that the attribute linked to a skill test is whatever attribute currently being rolled on. Thus, the ruling that whatever attribute currently being used for your skill test is the 'linked' attribute shall remain in effect.
			*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/zj2pmr/hard_nanohives_restock_cost/ Restocking Hard Hives]] (Item 83)
			**Consider the cost to restock Hard Nanohives to be ignored. It comes to about 21 nuyen a run, so whatever.
			*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/127xb15/cyberlimbs_skin_modification_compatibility/ Cyberlimbs and skin mods]] (Item 98)
			**For the sake of accepting skin modifications, the user should have a meaningful amount of skin left, at least two natural limbs. Torso counts as 2 limbs, head counts as 1, partial limbs count as half.
			**Smartskin cannot go over cyberlimbs.
			**Bone Lacing stacks perfectly fine with cyberlimbs, as a side note.
			*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/vypg6q/gifted_healer_rework/ Gifted Healer]] (Item 57)
			**Reduce penalties for First Aid and Medicine by 2 (SR5 p. 205-208) and for the Heal spell by 2 from any source other than BGC.
			*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/qk77j4/beating_addiction/ Beating Addiction]] (Item 24)
			**In order to buy off the Addiction Negative Quality, you must remain off of the drug for (Addiction Rating)/2 runs, rounded up.
			*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/tfatsy/surge_i_and_surge_ii_unbanned_with_modified/ SURGE I and II unbanned]] (Item 39)
			**Mood Hair should be in SURGE III and not in SURGE II and III.
			*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/10wpi7c/cosmetic_deltaware_access/ Access to Cosmetic Deltaware]]
			**0 Essence cost cosmetic ware no longer requires 15/30 karma Deltaware Access run reward for Awakened or characters with Regeneration.
			*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/10wq4ho/no_future_performance_remains_banned/ No Future Performance]] (Item
			**No Future has some methods of earning income on p.60 and p.61. Downtime nuyen earning is heavily curtailed for good reason and will remain banned.
			*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/d4tew0/refinement_and_clarification_of_the_wanted/ Wanted Clarifications]]
			**Collecting bounties on teammates during a run is disallowed on ShadowHaven
			**Should a GM organize a private run against a character with wanted where NPC runners would otherwise be used, PC runners may join on that run. The GM should get the informed consent of all players involved and thematics department approval given the often tense and unfair nature of PvP in Shadowrun 5E.
			**GMs should attempt to restrict the impact of wanted to only the wanted PCs, not others on the same team.
			***Contact thematics if you want help with how to shield other players.
			**GMs are highly encouraged to use the wanted quality to complicate runs, as with all negative qualities.
			**Contacts will not aid in the collection of bounties on wanted characters except in extreme, rare situations.
			***Contact thematics if these extreme and rare situations come up.
			**GMs should keep the Haven’s rule on burning edge in mind when handling the wanted quality. The player must remain playable even after capture via our house rules.
			**Players may appeal to the thematics team or council should they feel the awarding of wanted during the course of a run was unwarranted.

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	*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/z8hpzd/clarification_on_expanded_upgrade_rules/ Clarification on Upgrade Rules]] (Item 75)		*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/z8hpzd/clarification_on_expanded_upgrade_rules/ Clarification on Upgrade Rules]] (Item 75)
	**Also applies to things in the armor that do not take capacity that change availability._		**Also applies to things in the armor that do not take capacity that change availability.

			===[[Rulings/Matrix]]===
			*No changes were made in Matrix Rules.

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	**Location specific called shots		**Location specific called shots
	***All net hits now add damage as well as allow you to select status effects for the target to resist. If the target fully resists all damage, they do not need to resist any status effects as normal.		***All net hits now add damage as well as allow you to select status effects for the target to resist. If the target fully resists all damage, they do not need to resist any status effects as normal.

			===[[Rulings/Custom_Mechanics]]===

			*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/z8hpzd/clarification_on_expanded_upgrade_rules/ Clarification on Upgrade Rules]] (Item 75)
			**Also applies to things in the armor that do not take capacity that change availability._

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	*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/mb5yh7/international_shadowrunning_operations/ International Runners]] (Item 150)		*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/mb5yh7/international_shadowrunning_operations/ International Runners]] (Item 150)
	**A lot of stuff about being international. This was already in the GM rules, but it should be here as well.		**A lot of stuff about being international. This was already in the GM rules, but it should be here as well.

			===[[Rulings/Combat]]===

			*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/nbwy9t/multiple_attacks_melee_and_ranged/ Melee and Ranged Multiple Attacks]] (Item 168)
			**If attacking with different ranged and melee weapons with different dice pools, take the lowest dice pool of the set and split that among the attacks.
			***Example: Overkill, a Nartaki, has had it with Johnsons screwing him over. The Johnson turns away with the prototype, without paying the team. This causes Overkill to draw a Barrens Special, A Knife, A Club, and A Laser Pistol. OVerkills knows how to use the Barrens Special, A Knife, A Club. They have 22 dice in those pools. But the laser pistol was more drawn in rage, and he only has 7 dice to fire it. Due to this, they divide their 7 laser pistol dice into their other 3 attacks.
			*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/vps764/repeating_laser_price_reduction/ Repeating Laser Price]] (Item 55)
			**The Repeating Laser (LCD 209) now costs a mere 100k nuyen.
			*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/12euav7/bug_stomper_armor_unbanned/ Bug Stomper]]
			**Specify that no hardened armor is gained.
			*Council ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/ppazx6/martial_arts_and_two_styles/ Technique stacking]] (Item 90
			**Martial Arts techniques (including actions) may be taken twice to increase the benefit from 1 to 2 unless stated otherwise.
			*Council ruling note: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/py9eam/attacking_with_horns_and_tusks_for_trolls_and_orks/ Natural Weapon optional rule]] (Item 17)
			**Already in Chargen rules. Just a note here.
			*Council Ruling: [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowHavenBBS/comments/vps5fh/location_specific_called_shots_and_net_hits/ Location Specific Called Shots]]
			**Location specific called shots
			***All net hits now add damage as well as allow you to select status effects for the target to resist. If the target fully resists all damage, they do not need to resist any status effects as normal.